mountain lions in new hampshire

Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. Caller: Oh hi. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. She is renowned for tracking. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. You don't know what's going on. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. 44-H Links. I mean they're a survivor. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. Can you look into this picture. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Your support makes this news available to everyone. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. John you're on the air. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. You saw what you saw. I didn't see him online. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. And you know all that. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. One was in Shelton. N.H. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I just want to tell you a story that I read. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Love hearing these stories. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Is that typically what was happening there. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. But you've done some reporting on this. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Mountain Lions in NH. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. On a dirt road. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. So give us a call now. Thank you. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. I found a second scat scent both to him. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Thanks for a great thanks. So. Or years or so. And it was unmistakable. Like why would you want one wildlife. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. No doubt in my mind it was. No that's a little bit outside the range. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. 44-N Links. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. John is calling from Bennington. Infinite Scroll Enabled. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Do they travel. Share. Your support makes this news available to everyone. He said matter of fact I do. Okay. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. So what counts as verifiable evidence? There was no sign of it. Seems reasonable! And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. Well within there. Thank you. So. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Caller: Absolutely. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. A lot of times. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. What's going on. And why would they what. Yes. This is the exchange. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Peter Biello: Yeah. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. David Erler says some of them probably have. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. If so that's for us as an agency. New Hampshire Public Radio | I'm Peter B yellow. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Part II. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. So what those ranges. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. Select image for larger view. brings a lot of. Let us know your story and share your photos. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Patrick Tate: Yes. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Oh you saw him online. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. And it's not really strong. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. We want answers. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. They sent it already. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Thank you very much for listening. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. 1957. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Why are there so many false positives? nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. They were able to do all that by genetics. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. No I saw a camel. Women control our lives. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Tim Yeah. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings".

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